"WE ARE READY TO THE WIDEST COOPERATION".
"WE ARE READY TO THE WIDEST COOPERATION".
INTERVIEW TO THE GENERAL DIRECTOR OF OPEN SOCIETY MTK "SIREN" OF L. ILCHUKOM.
-- Lion Viktorovich before to begin our interview, accept
The warmest congratulations from readers and magazine edition
"Aviation market" in connection with input in a system of the automated system
Managements of aviatransportations "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -3". On September, 2nd has occurred
Event, which pilots of our country, all who was involved to
To system creation, have the right to consider as one of the most considerable
Victories in business of updating of domestic civil aircraft for
The last 15 - 20 years. And that you have tested, having learnt about sale
"Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð?Ð -3" the first air tickets on airline flights "Ural
Airlines "?
-- Thanks for a congratulation, and, taking an opportunity, I would like
Through your magazine warmly to thank all who has congratulated
Collectives MTK "Sirens" and "the Ural airlines" with the beginning
Operation "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3". As to my own
Sensations? The first thought: "Really we have made it?!" A word "we" I
I unite hundreds people which took part in creation
"Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3" and its introduction in a system. I am grateful to all who believed in
Idea of this so necessary to Russia, to other countries of Commonwealth
Megasystems who to the extent of the forces and possibilities helped it
To create. I do not remember in history of the domestic civil
Aircraft of the project similar to the project "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -3" which has united
Under "banner" of administration of presidents of Russia and the USA,
A number of chairmen of the governments of the Russian Federation and US State Secretaries, ministers
Transport, the finance, economy of the Russian Federation and,
Certainly, a management of Federal service of air transport,
Bankers of our country and the United States of America, presidents
The world's largest corporations, the best minds in the field of the computer
Technologies, collectives of tens airlines, set
Experts of the various organisations and departments, all, who belief and
As the truth served and serves "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -3"... So left, that this system
Became the main business of a life of many people who have devoted to service
To fatherland, our civil aircraft, including the main business
My life. Therefore, when it has started to work, I mentally
Has thanked destiny for that, as to it, and to me honour to create has dropped out
Some kind of base for break of our aircraft in area
Information technologies a next millenium. - if to you
Suddenly it was necessary to repeat this way at first, you would agree on
It? - A complicated question. Looking back back, looking through almost
Ten years' history of the project, I sometimes do not believe myself, that for
This time managed to be bypassed so much "reeves and reefs",
To stand in such "storm and typhoons" which it seems not in
Status to bypass and go through any "ship". Our crew -
Ð Ð Ð command "Siren" - has stood. If at the very beginning of creation
Someone has told systems to me, that for us waits, I, probably, one thousand
Time would weigh all pro's and con's before to agree
To accept a post of general director MTK. But now... Responding on
Your question, would tell "yes" more likely, than "is not present". Too grandiose
This business - creation "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3", too much it means for
Affairs, to which we serve to depart aside. Everyone
The generation of pilots of our country left the trace in history.
I wish to hope, that "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3" and our generation will leave creation
In it kind memory of.
-- That was for you the most difficult in realisation of it
The project?
-- Strangely enough, the greatest difficulties waited for us not there,
Where we predicted them - in the field of creation new to the country
Hi-tech product, - and in sphere human
Mutual relations. But, to answer your question, it is necessary to us
To recollect history. The automated systems of booking (ASB)
Were born in the USA in the sixties and have received the application in area
Air transport as derivative of ideas and principles, on
By which the systems used in air defence of this country were created. With
That time and until now in them the newest were applied and applied
Computer facilities achievements, these systems and now, and in
The foreseeable future will save leading position in the theory and practice
Designing and creation of the big computing systems. ASB
Today are capable to provide simultaneous job of hundreds thousand
Remote terminals at superhigh indicators of reliability and
Productivity that allows them to reach the highest
Economic efficiency. Now abroad
Are developed and successfully operate number ASB, incorporated
Advanced achievements in the field of computer and information
Technologies, including 5 superpowerful megasystems - global
Distribution systems from which Sabre, Amadeus and Galileo it is good
Are familiar to pilots of Russia and the Commonwealth countries. Should tell, that
In the USSR in 1956 researches on creation have begun
The domestic automated system of booking and
Reservations of air tickets. As a result of the hugest job,
Done by leading academic institutes, such as IPU,
The instrument making ministry, and also MGA the USSR, have been entered in
System "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -1", "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -2", and later, in the nineties - "the Siren -
2.3"and"Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -2000"which work and to this day. However
Creation "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -2" has been connected in due time with absence in
The USSR adequate computer complexes for the processing centres
The given and branched out telecommunication networks with the necessary
Characteristics, that as a matter of fact has predetermined it
Use basically in the internal aviation market. The same
To airlines which carried out international transportations,
It was necessary to "go begging" to reservation system
"SIEVE-GABRIEL", and in the subsequent and to distributive systems
Sabre, Galileo, Amadeus.
Naturally, such position did not arrange the government
The USSR, and later and Russia, heads of civil aircraft of all
Levels. In 1987 at session of board were MGA the USSR was
The basic decision on construction at us modern is accepted
The system corresponding to world achievements and standards. But
It was required still almost four years before in 1991 was
The decision on creation "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3" under the aegis of the same MGA is accepted. It
Time has left on being defined on simple, apparently,
To question: "to Replace or modernise" Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -2 "?" However
It was necessary to spend set of expert estimations, meetings
Various level, including with participation of the foreign
Experts to organise acquaintance to systems, which already
Were in the world before the decision - upgrade has ripened
Existing system it is possible only as the intermediate stage,
Other system is necessary to civil aircraft of the country qualitatively. The project
Have named "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -3" as following "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð?Ð -2", but it was only
Tribute of tradition and respect for those who went in advance us.
The project should become absolutely new stage in business
The organisation and an air traffic management, technological
Break in the XXI-st century. It would Seem, to such decision to rejoice and
To rejoice to all who is involved in creation and job of systems
Reservations and managements of transportations. And here we
Have faced, and it is absolutely unexpected, with a main problem,
Which and till now up to the end to overcome it was not possible, -
Unwillingness of some heads and the experts working in
Areas of transportations on air transport to unite efforts on
To creation "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3". Moreover, we have felt the direct
Counteraction of some people, firms and the organisations in business
Project realisation. Fortunately, the president and the Government
Russia, the state bodies - the Ministry of Finance,
The ministry of transport of the Russian Federation, DVT, FAS, and now Federal service
Air transport, the government of the CIS countries, the POPPY, a number of others
Departments and the organisations, experts of the numerous commissions,
Advisory council at the Government of the Russian Federation, the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation,
The State Office of Public Prosecutor of the Russian Federation and Customs committee, which
Checked job MTK, have not taken the side of those who wished to leave
Our airlines without "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3". And for it to all who supported
Shareholders of our joint-stock company, Board of directors, all
Collective MTK "Siren", once again - our profound gratitude.
But finally this gratitude - from future
Air passengers, from those who, I am assured, with pleasure
Will use numerous services "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3" already in the nearest
The future, and also from those experts who will lead from it the
Professional dialogue... - In what of the reason such
Counteractions in your opinion?
-- Probably, this question to you is better for setting that who has not wanted
With us to work. I can build the assumptions only:
Unwillingness to leave a warm familiar spot, a position "on ours
The century and it will suffice ", leaving from superfluous efforts etc. Though I not
I remove responsibility that occurs, and from myself - means,
To someone something has not managed to explain, has not got ability to convince in
To correctness of our business, could not interest... However our line
On strengthening of professional communications, on necessity
Associations of efforts in this area remains invariable - jobs in
"Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -3" will suffice all professionals, and more not late to unite
Efforts of developers "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3", "Sirens-2.3" and "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -2000". -
By the way, Lion Viktorovich, your opponents reproached time and again
Developers of the project that you hardly probable do not lobby
Interests of the western corporations and airlines, in particular IBM,
STS, GE Spacenet and others, taking for a basis their equipment,
The software... - Those who so speaks, or dissemble,
Or very badly represent, that is "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -3". That a sin
To conceal, in the field of the computer and telecommunication technics ours
The country has considerably lagged behind foreign firms, and it not fault, and
Trouble of Russia. To overcome this trouble it has been solved (on the highest
Levels of a country government and civil aircraft), using
Opened after removal of notorious interdictions by the COOK
Possibilities of acquisition of the western technologies and the newest
Workings out of most industrially developed countries, and thus also
To get access to foreign investments for project realisation.
In the declared competition (now it name "tender") on
Participation in creation "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3" have won corporation IBM,
Airline American Airlines and firm GE Spacenet. Its results,
By the way, brought the best scientific minds of Russia. I think, that to readers
"Aviation market" is not present necessity to represent in detail above-named
Firms, as their authority on the aerospace world
It is so high, that they do not require any estimations and
Epithets.
IBM - its hardware-software platforms are used
Airlines of the USA, Europe and Asia - undertook delivery
Hardware and system products Central
Processing complex "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3". American Airlines in the person
Affiliated firm The Sabre Group has charged the shoulders with working out
And delivery of the applied software, training
The personnel and introduction "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3" in the pilot companies. GE
Spacenet became the supplier of equipment rooms and software
Space data network... The Prototype of our system was
It is selected Sabre in its last edition. Its choice was caused
That by the decision-making moment - the tender was spent in 1991
- this system was the world's largest and most
Highly effective in job among the western megasystems. And so,
The American firms on its working out and development during more
30 years have been spent an order 4 (!) billion dollars. If we
Have gone on a way of creation of own similar system, more than 900
To the programmers having experience of working out of large systems, it was necessary
To spend for creation of similar products ten years
naprjazhennejshej jobs, also would manage it in 10 - 15 times more expensively,
Than "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -3". And now sproetsirujte figure of an order of 1 billion
Dollars on the annual budget of Russia, on a financial status of ours
Airlines and the enterprises aviaproma, scientific and prospecting
Establishments etc., compare to figure in 152 million dollars, and
In so much us has managed "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -3", and make
Conclusions who defends whose interests. That choice Sabre was
Hit in "apple", it testifies not only that and
Today accumulates all newest technologies and shows
Resoluteness in their practical realisation, but also what
Sabre first-ever has opened itself to Internet users. As
Experts mark, this step the revolutionism has made on
Competitors effect of the broken off bomb, because any inhabitant
The planets, the having personal computer, can communicate now with
The system centre to receive any inquiries necessary for it as
To the air passenger, and even (if it has a credit card)
To reserve the ticket aboard the plane and number in hotel. Here the such
We has "elder sister" "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -3" in which ability is put in pawn
To do all that, on what is capable Sabre.
Cost of all project - 152 million dollars. It is a lot of it or
It is not enough? I am absolutely assured, that at that steadfast attention,
As which we every second feel as from the supervising
Financial, tax and customs bodies, and from the party,
Let's tell so softly, competitors, any dollar which has left on payment
The equipment or necessary jobs over the lowest boundary,
Which we allowed ourselves, immediately would call rough reaction,
Campaign in mass-media etc. Developers "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3" it is adequate
Reacted to all events in a country life, as political, so
And an economic direction as they it is direct
Influenced transport system. - so, in 1991, on
To recommendations of experts MGA, Minpribora and Academies of sciences, was
The technical project on the system serving the annual is developed
The volume of passenger traffic of 150 million persons, also was supposed, that in it
Structure there will be 5 computer centres - in Moscow, Kiev,
Alma-Ata, Sverdlovsk and Novosibirsk. But disintegration of the USSR,
Decomposition of civil aircraft, sharp reduction of volumes
Airline traffic have led to that it was necessary to reconsider
System key parametres, mnogotsentrovuju the scheme to replace on
odnotsentrovuju to bring into accord the design computing
Capacities with the real situation developing in the civil
Aircraft, etc. It happens in 1993 but then not on sew
To fault problems with project financing, and only in 1997 have begun
When we have solved this problem, the project "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -3" was once again
It is modified anew taking into account all those changes that have occurred
In aircraft and in the field of computer technologies... And it only
Small fragment from system history, but in him, as in a mirror,
Time in which it is necessary to work, and problems was reflected also,
Which we solve... If to list all those kinds of jobs,
Which were executed by our experts, their cost to combine with
In cost of the equipment received for "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3", believe,
The above-named figure in 152 million dollars for such system
Will seem more than modest. By the way, our foreign colleagues,
The salts which have eaten any pood at creation of the systems similar
"Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -3", have been rather surprised by so low cost of the project
And at first at all have not believed in it.
Thus we constantly aspired to the main thing - "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -3"
Should have the advanced equipment. For example, today
Data processing in TSOK is conducted by two most powerful computers
S/390 4th versions of firm IBM. These are the best cars, which corporation
Now can put to the customers. About that, how much these
Computers are perfect, speaks at least such comparison - both,
Built in two cases in size with a household refrigerator, they
Perform the job equal on productivity of 300 (!) Soviet
COMPUTER BESM-6. However, I hope, my colleagues - experts in this
Areas - in the given special issue will acquaint with in more details
System of all who should be engaged in air transport.
-- Lion Viktorovich, as far as I know, with building and
The paradoxical situation - in has developed financing "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3"
Its creation the largest take part not and not so rich
The Russian companies, including such who yet does not carry out
Flights abroad and to whom "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -3", apparently, it is not necessary. In the same
Time "Aeroflot - the Russian international airlines",
"Pulkovo", "Vnukovsky airlines", being, your shareholders,
Do not accept participation in system financing. Than you it
Explain? - Besides it is a question not to me, and to a management
These companies. But the point of view on this problem to state
I can, at least for that simple reason that I work in branch already
40 years, since 1959, has seen and has gone through together with it much. -
Accept the most sincere congratulations on this date.
-- Thanks. I have passed all steps flight and
Command-supervising job, since the navigator of an air vessel
And finishing a post of the deputy minister of civil aircraft.
Therefore well I know, how experts of all levels, as prepared
The incorporated aviagroups which have become in the basic were completed
To weight airlines as there was their equipment by aviation technics.
For anybody not a secret, that to Moscow - in governmental
Aviagroup N 235, in the Central management of the international air
The messages, become by base for creation ARMAL, in "Vnukovo",
"Domodedovo", in Leningrad - in "Pulkovo", in Kiev - in
"Borispol" best of the best, the aircraft technician were selected was delivered
The newest, the managerial personnel - skilled, trained. The ministry
Civil aircraft accumulated basically the most capable
Workers of branch. But there was a disintegration of the USSR, has begun so
Named reforming of civil aircraft, were accepted
Frequently not clear decisions on DVT, FAS, FSVT, have extremely become aggravated
Problems with financing, that, as a matter of fact, has predetermined
Difficult destiny "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3", it has as though faded into the background, and
Here here, in my opinion, also there was a division of pilots on
"A white bone" and "a black bone". The most powerful aviastructures -
TSUMVS, "Vnukovo", "Pulkovo" and some other, - is excellent
otmobilizirovannye, trained, equipped with new aviatechnics,
Have quickly adapted to new conditions of managing, have begun
To live own life, having forgotten about colleagues - those who works on
Urals Mountains, in Siberia, in the North, in the Far East... Moreover, they
Have forgotten, that the general coin box of incomes, from which then
The centralised financing of divisions was carried out
Civil aircraft (and the lion's share it fell to the elite
Aviagroups), filled up all - and helicopter pilots from Dickson, from
Halaktyrki, and mjachkovskie aerofotosemshchiki, and pilots in
To Antarctica, and linear pilots of Khabarovsk, Barnaul, Irkutsk,
Voronezh - pilots of thousand airports. Our "whales" quickly have found
Common language with systems "Gabriels" and "Amadeus", but that was necessary
To do by that who was left in the basket of this process? Giving the due
To management DVT, FAS, and now FSVT, in that that it has not thrown
"Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3" on a destiny arbitrariness, I would like to underline, that
Original feat in the last 8 - 10 years on which it was necessary
And system building, chiefs of the regional have made
Territorial administrations of HECTARES - V.Tasun, L.Nagornyj,
Lipaev, B.Komonov, G.Kruglikov, V.Vahromov, J.Balakin, And.
Levandovsky, O.Chernov and others. On their shoulders the heaviest has laid down
The burden - to rescue, save, provide the future of former Open Societies and
The airports, and as a matter of fact - to give chance of a life of hundreds thousand
Pilots and to members of their families. Surprisingly, but anybody from them never
Has not thrown a stone aside MTK "Siren", moreover, without them
Protection and supports the project would be doomed. Thanking it, thanking
To heads and collectives of those airlines, which now
Are our shareholders and investors, MTK "Siren" could
To stand in this hardest for the country and aircraft time, to create
"Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3" and to inhale in it a life. It is assured, that over them supervised
Something bolshee, than interests of business, - for their century with interest
Previous "Sirens", and it "something" - high would suffice also
Patriotism, aviation brotherhood, alarm not only about itself, but also
About those boys who will come of us in the stead, fidelity
To traditions which were created by pilots more than 80 years in Russia.
I will not tell, that I do not understand positions of those large airlines,
Which look narrowly to "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ð -3" (by the way, in due time
"Aeroflot" has come to us to the aid, having allocated 3 million dollars
The interest-free credit, for what to it many thanks). From a point
Sight of business dealing they are absolutely right: "Prove, that you
Better and - we will pass on "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3". But something to me stirs
Unconditionally to believe in this correctness. There can be a position and affairs
Those who is weaker and poorer? I do not know... Hard times at us not
Have ended, but we will prove.
-- What to you the future "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3" sees?
-- Before to speak about the future, I would like to tell a little
Words about the past. For the last years in corporation has developed
The collective which has become tempered in uneasy conditions economic
The reforms, managed, despite it would seem hopeless situations, with
Honour to fulfil the duty - to construct for Russia, other countries
The CIS the most powerful complex of efficient control transportations on
Air transport - "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3". It became possible, on mine
Sight because collective MTK represents now
sletannyj the "crew" consisting from skilled, passed uneasy
School of civil aircraft of experts and well prepared and
The trained youth, able to work from the most complicated modern
Technics. J.Darymov, T.Fedorenko, Century concern the first
Olejnik, A.Aksenov, V.Kolchanov, M.Konov, A.Adrov, V.Titov,
A.Nazarov, A.Titov, A.Shatrov, L.Dorofeyev, L.Agafonova, Century
Barinov, V.Krikunov, F.Lushchik, M.Voronova, V.Levin, A.Revo,
I.Ratina, R.Fatina, T.Bovina, - this list I could
To continue and continue... Yes those colleagues, whom not will excuse me
Has named, as an interview genre I do not allow to make it, but
I can tell, that practically each employee MTK "Siren"
It is worthy the warmest words of gratitude. We aspire
To support those traditions which have been put in pawn still by founders
First "Siren" - the former minister of instrument making of M.
SHkabardnej, director IPU (IAT) academician I.Prangishvili,
Former chief engineer Sojuzpromavtomatiki A. Levin, main
The designer of system "Siren" d.t.n., the professor V.Zhozhikashvili
And other predecessors. Therefore, answering your question,
I will tell, that the future "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3" should be based on the coped
Collective job, the sensitive and attentive relation to
To users, in continuity of traditions and fidelity to business,
To which everyone who comes in MTK "Siren" serves. And consequently
In most shortest time it is necessary for collective to spend
Corporation re-structuring, having transformed it from razrabotcheskoj
Structures in marketing, capable to present in the market the
Products and to confirm their competitiveness not only on
To the relation to domestic systems of reservation, but also on
To the relation to the best in the world to systems. Especially I wish to note -
The future "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3", the system having strategic value for
Destinies of civil aircraft of Russia and the CIS countries, it is impossible without
Predominating role of the state in a management of its job. We
We see many examples, when the major for a life of the people objects
That is necessary get not, hands. I would not like, that
The similar destiny has comprehended our system.
And still I believe in blossoming of our aircraft, and it sees to me in
Association of efforts of collectives of airlines, the airports,
Agencies, other users with our works. From its part
We are ready to the widest cooperation. Ahead MTK "Siren"
New cares wait and, I am assured, new victories. We have entered a stage
Introductions "Ð Ð Ñ Ð Ð?Ñ -3". Will pass it uneasy. But we are ready to
To this job... - Thanks for interview. And, as used to say in
Olden time: "Yes the God will help you!" - I thank.
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